First let me say I think that the Royal house in England established its subjecting power in America. It has been doing that before and since the 'revolution'. It has to do it not by its Law but By God's LAW.

Consent, exchange, contract...

Their law kicks in when we consent. If our consent and actions bind us, according to God's LAW, we cannot get out with out their consent or we brake God's LAW.

Give to Caesar what is Caesar's.

Other wise we are simply held by pirates and to fight to free yourself is not revolution..

Note: "Those captured by pirates and robbers remain free." Because "Things captured by pirates and robbers do not change ownership."

They must bind us according to God's LAW.

England was closing the door to freedom for 500 years. When William the Conquerer defeated Harold his cousin at Hastings in 10 66 he obtained no more authority than Harold had originally, except for those free noblemen who were foolish enough to fight with Harold and lost. Many free noblemen of England did not support Harold in his trial by combat with his cousin and they kept their lands which were not entered into William's survey of Land and the Doomsday Book.

But then America was discovered. It was the land that Brendan from Ireland had sought and discovered and claimed for the Lord in 400AD. He had called it, "The land promised to the Saints by God."

Who was going to own this land?

If Jesus was a King and Charles was a King both men could claim the Land in America.

Please. Stay on point with me. Don't let theology sweep you away, Hang in there.

When my GGGgradfather came here [early 1600's] he claimed land, so did the king's men, so did lots of men.

Yes! The United States is in cohorts with the British kings, who are not British.

Note that those kings of the British are the prince elector of the Holy Roman Empire. See treaties.

The Holy Roman Empire recognized Jesus as a King. Their official Procurator said it three times and posted it for the World to see.

The Kings of England recognize this proclamation and have published it over and over in the King James Version of the Bible.

THAT IS THE MESSAGE OF THE CROSS.

WE WERE SPIRITUALLY AND PHYSICALLY REDEEMED.

We have to physically and spiritually follow the Christ, The King, of a Christian Republic that has survived in the heart of the Roman Empire Since the days that Jesus walked among us.

There is more to this America vs British Colony/US but this should be enough to Chew.

Bellow is a post I sent in a response. to a British Colony Vs Free Country debate on another list. Trust be there is more going on here than the king's school system wants you to know about concerning the colonies at kings

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British Colony Vs Free Country

He said.... He said comments from the Lawgivers list

WOAH!!

Let me add my 2 cents or sense too

(Lyle) Your allusions here and below are that the King came to this country and conquered it. Obviously not true. The King never set foot on this continent, nor did he conquer it. He wrote Charters describing what he claimed to own. Pieces of paper. You make further allusions (illusions) below.

(insert Gregory's two cents) Good point. It had taken almost 500 year for the crowns bind up and the land of Britain and enter it in the Doomsday Book when they discovered a whole new world.
The foot thing is good. Possession is, as it were, the position of the foot.(Possessio est quasi pedis positio. 5 Coke, 42.)

But actually he did his foot over to America. The king sent his representatives with feet. Like Armstrong on the Moon. But did he only send His Representatives? Did some others come to claim some land in their own interest? (see answer at bottom of page******************)

(Lyle) I haven't been talking about the bankers. But in previous posts from "BIG AL" he has asserted that the BANKERS ARE THE TRUE PROBLEM. Do you now disagree with "BIG AL?"

(insert Gregory's two cents) Big All has a point if you include our participation with the BANKERS SYSTEM. But does every one participate?

(Lyle) But you said above, "WE WON, THE LAND IS OURS." So to hell with his law.

(insert Gregory's two cents) It doesn't work that way in the law of nations. This was a trial by combat over specific issues. Like the battle of Hastings all Royal claims did not stop some transferred temporarily at least.. We still honored Spanish land grants and rights in wars with Mexico.

(Lyle) Actually it would be "irrevocable trust." Isn't that sort of an "OXYMORON?" Can something placed in trust be "not recoverable?" What would the purpose of such foolishness be? Does a trust not get broken, surrendered, or folded stapled and mutilated by an act of WAR? Please be serious in your response. NOTE TO ALL: James has stated previously that "WE WON, THE LAND IS OURS." Does that not apply to these trusts? Hmmmm?

(insert Gregory's two cents) If a trust can be made it can be unmade. It is only irrevocable from a certain point of view. It is often dependent on who holds the contract upon which the trust is based. (See below.)

There was a trust and a contract.
The King was to protect from foreign invasion and could collect certain taxes to finance that. He brought in foreign troops and imposed taxes beyond his authority. = unwarranted usurpation

There still was a trust in affect. But with who?

(James) Nor did we kill the king and his heirs, thereby taking possession of his lands. This is only way we could, or can have allodial title to this land, the only other way under the king's common law for us to posses title to this land is by lessor title and grant.

(insert Gregory's two cents) Actually we did kill the king or someone did.
The first Charter of Charles I was written with an offer in mind. There was a revolution in England at the time. Roundheads and the Wigs... The king new the Puritans were turning the tide. He had a plan. Make a Charter where they could have a shot at freedom in America and it will divide his protagonists. Then Cromwell beat him anyway, established an English Republic and tried the King then cut his head off at White Hall. Royalists swarmed to America where Cromwell was compelled to send troops across the sea to protect the 'American republics'.

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"He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people, and eat out their substance... For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally, the Forms of our Governments:" Thomas Jefferson D of I

In the spring before independence was declared by the colonies in 1776, the various states gathered in local assemblies to hammer out laws by which they would govern themselves. The King had broken his contract. Connecticut and Rhode Island simply rewrote their old colonial charters, ex-ing out any references to the king and parliament. But the remaining states drafted entirely new constitutions.

Lyle' asked, "You were there? What was it like? "

Well Lyle, let me tell you what they said.

Even before the so called American revolution the united States found that, "Natural law was the first defense of colonial liberty." Also, "There was a secondary line upon which much skirmishing took place and which some Americans regarded as the main field of battle. The colonial charters seemed to offer an impregnable defense against abuses of parliamentary power because they were supposed to be compacts between the king and people of the colonies; which, while confirming royal authority in America, denied by implication the right of Parliament to intervene in colonial affairs. Charters were grants of the king and made no mention of the parliament. They were even thought to hold good against the King, for it was believed that the King derived all the power he enjoyed in the colonies from the compacts he had made with the settlers. Some colonists went so far to claim that they were granted by the 'King of Kings'-and therefore 'no earthly Potentate can take them away.'" (The Other Side of the Question, by a Citizen, New York, 1774, 16)

If you buy a pig in a poke, you have just bought a pig. A poke is a cage in which you can not see the pig. You stick a stick in a hole and if it squeals like a pig and smells like a pig, its a pig.
The government is not responsible for telling you everything unless the government is your Father.
I mean if you are so free, then 'let a guy be responsible.'
It is not the well written contract that 'gets you' its the benefits you take that bind you, that you do not have a right to.

You know you can loose your birth right over a bowl of porridge.

When thou sittest to eat with a ruler, consider diligently what is before thee: And put a knife to thy throat, if thou be a man given to appetite. Be not desirous of his dainties: for they are deceitful meat. Proverbs 23

Of course your minister warned you of this in your 501c3 Church. NOT!
Take the benefit and you are either agreeing or you are a thief.

What do you think peter was talking about when he said, And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. 2 Peter 2:3

If you have a social security number you have waived a right to a portion of your labor. If this was a mistake send it back and don't use their number any more.

http://presys.com/~ekklesia/chvca.htm The Charagma vs. The Card

      When I was 7 years old my father handed me a Social Security Card. I can still remember starring at it for the longest time. I remember the funny design, the long number. I knew there was something important about that card but I was ignorant.
      I asked my father, "What is this?"
      He said it was a Social Security card. He was an attorney and my father, so I took the card.

      Where is the fraud?

      But in the taking of the card where is the contract?
      An administrative judge of the trust which has authority over card holders will assume that there is a contract. Of course the word assume is defined 'to pretend' in Black's.
      Is there a contract according to God's LAW? Who can judge? Not the administrative judge. He can only assume a jurisdiction. That is his job. It is not his job to instruct you about other kingdoms.
      ONLY GOD CAN JUDGE THE LAW OF GOD.

Cliff Wrote:
this training is not limited to the government, but by our parents, churches, friends, relatives, media, schools, and on and on....

      All these people are in the service of the gods of the nwo. They are not qualified to teach you about any other kingdom. If they tried it would be a breach of trust. There are a number of laws by treaty that forbid someone from upsetting the status quo. You are not supposed to entice a person from one faith with in the trust to another. You are certainly not to help people get out of the trust. That would be disloyal to the trust.
      To be loyal to your masters and not tell the slaves how they can escape is not fraud.

      Fraud would require intent. The clerks and servants of the trust are not deceiving you with intent to defraud. They are ignorant. If they told you where you could go and be free of your servitude to their masters they would be defrauding their masters.
      Besides you would have to prove intent to prove fraud. But to prove mistake requires only your confession. Then they would have to prove that you knew exactly what you were doing, what was in your head and mind. You are the only and best witness as to that.
      Remember that one of the four ingredients of a lawful contract is consent, that is to say a meeting of the minds. They can testify as to what they were thinking but not what you were thinking. The burden of proof with mistake as opposed to fraud shift to them.
      This is why a Declaration Against Interest is of value because it clears the air on your mistake and shifts the burden to them to prove otherwise.

      Cliff Wrote:
Point is, a 'mistake' is not the key word.... INTENTIONAL FRAUD on the part of our so-called governing body is....

      Again I will not say it is fraud. They do not claim to be masters of God's kingdom but of their own.
      Is it fraud to play monopoly. Is monopoly money counterfeit. With in its realm it is real and its rules are real. What you are dealing with is international ignorance. And by the way, for the record, it is not my so called government but it is a government of all who go under its authority.

All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any. (1 Cor. 6:12)

      Cliff Wrote:
I'm sure you full well know what the purpose of the 'federal register' is...... simply stated, it's so we KNOW what it is we are responsible for......... BTW, you won't find but a handful of sections from Title 26 in there..... and the reason is because Title 26 does not have 'general applicability'...... one has to 'contract' into... and this is something that a minor can't even 'lawfully' do, but that's when .99.9% of us get caught ..... and by the time we are so-called 'adults' we 'know' no better...... this could be considered a 'mistake' on the part of the person who knows no better, but certainly not on the part of those that laid the traps....

      The snare [is] laid for him in the ground, and a trap for him in the way. Job 18:10
      One man's trap is another man's invitation. Welcome to my parlor said the spider to the fly.
      We had warning and our fathers also.
      Let their table become a snare before them: and [that which should have been] for [their] welfare, [let it become] a trap. Psalms 69:22

      Jeremiah explained it
      Your iniquities have turned away these things, and your sins have withholden good things from you. [have they been withholden'] For among my people are found wicked men: they lay wait, as he that setteth snares; they set a trap, they catch men. As a cage is full of birds, so are their houses full of deceit: therefore they are become great, and waxen rich. They are waxen fat, they shine: yea, they overpass the deeds of the wicked: they judge not the cause, the cause of the fatherless, yet they prosper; and the right of the needy do they not judge. Shall I not visit for these things? saith the LORD: shall not my soul be avenged on such a nation as this? A wonderful and horrible thing is committed in the land; The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof? 5:25, 31

      But is all hope lost because they seek a wicked kingdom where they can rule by their own means. Even though they would not tell us of the LORD's Kingdom? People talk about rising up and throwing off the tyranny, defeating the fraud. We are but a few and will always be a few. There are more that hat the system but they do not love the LORD.When the people of Iran threw out the Shaw they did not stand against tyranny they simply changed tyrants.

      Cliff Wrote:
This issue that I'm taking with you is the 'implication' that it is our fault... this is only so if we do so with 'full disclosure'..with 'knowledge and forethought'... if we do so 'after' we have become 'enlightened' as to the true nature of these so-called 'contracts'.....

      Yes we made a mistake because we slumbered, because we are weak of flesh. But where is our spirit, our heart? All have sin, all have error. We are all prodigal sons returning to our true Father.
      (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day. And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them: Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway. I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. Roman's 11: 8....
      We come as servants of the LORD not to judge but to bring judgment. I will see my mistake and let God judge the fraud.

      Does not God tell us what sin is?.... does He not tell us not to commit adultery?..

      Absolutely. I agree. Most of America is not trapped by anything more than their own love of evil. Love not the wicked but Love the LORD with thy whole heart, mind and soul. Do this and he will teach you what they cannot teach you.

      Cliff wrote:
or does He wait until we do and then say, "Got'cha"... "To bad for you, you should have known better"....?.... NOT..... a contract is only 'lawfully' binding upon agreeing parties, not by 'entrapment, deception, etc...............
      > Cliff

OLD TESTAMENT
      If your brothers threw you in a pit and someone else comes along and buys you out of that pit at their expense and you consent to their voluntary expenditure for your benefit then you are a slave and can be sold to get back their investment. Even though your brothers had no right to throw you in the pit your cousins were under no obligation to buy you out even though it would have been the charitable thing to do.
      See the pitfalls of Joseph.

NEW TESTAMENT
      If you did not owe a tax and your master did not owe a tax but you opened your big mouth and said you did and your master did then you would owe the tax. Not because you did owe it but because you said you owed it even though you were wrong, even deceived. See Peter and the fishy tax.
      You must make your yeses yes and your nos no. Especially if you have received something of value.

COMMON LAW
      If some one sells you a fish they do not own and you eat it, you owe the fishmonger the price of a fish or you are a thief even though you did not steal the fish and have paid for it in good faith. If you have received stolen goods now you know now you must give them back.

Timothy

Dear Timothy,

      1 Peter 2:13 <3767> Submit yourselves <5293> (5649) to every <3956>ordinance <2937> of man <442> for <1223> the Lord's sake <2962>: whether it be <1535> to the king <935>, as <5613> supreme <5242> (5723);

      There is a word missing from this translation in 1 Peter 2:13. Oun <3767> meaning, "Therefore".

      Verse 13 is instructions in relation to the above statement in 1 Peter 2:12

      Having your conversation honest among the Gentiles: that, whereas they speak against you as evildoers, they may by [your] good works, which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation.

      The word 'conversation' does not just mean conduct but is from anastrepho meaning to turn upside down.

      As in the statement in , Acts 17:6 And when they found them not, they drew Jason and certain brethren unto the rulers of the city, crying, These that have turned the world upside down are come hither also;

      The word there was anastatoo meaning 'to excite tumults' as in 'seditions in the state'. Why would good Christians be accused of sedition in the state if they were subject to every ordinance.

      What was so upside down and seditious?

      Acts 17:7 Whom Jason hath received: and these all do contrary to the decrees of Caesar, saying that there is another king, [one] Jesus.

      If there was another King then that is who they should pay their tribute to. After all what was the message on the cross.

      Luke 23:38 And a superscription also was written over him in letters of Greek, and Latin, and Hebrew, THIS IS THE KING OF THE JEWS.

      Rome knew Jesus was King. Pilate said it over and over as he pleaded for Jesus' life.

      Mark 15:9 But Pilate answered them, saying, Will ye that I release unto you the King of the Jews?

      Why did Herod put the royal robe of his office on Jesus? Remember Herod did not want to kill John the Baptist but was impressed by him. He was even more impressed by Jesus but his soldiers did not like Jesus or the though of working for this man of peace. Why did not Herod ever sit on the thrown? He never was King like his Father. After Jesus' resurrection he left Judea and lived out his life in another country.

      Luke 23:11 And Herod with his men of war set him at nought, and mocked [him], and arrayed him in a gorgeous robe, and sent him again to Pilate.

      This royal Robe was what the Romans fought over because of the value of its jewels and silver and gold braids in the form of a map of Israel.

      In Acts we see the Grandson of Herod the Great attempt to take the throne and fell dead with worms.

      Acts 12:23 And immediately the angel of the Lord smote him, because he gave not God the glory: and he was eaten of worms, and gave up the ghost.

      Jesus was king and high priest but he had set up a different kind of government.

      Matthew 20:25, 28 But Jesus called them [unto him], and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them. But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister; And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant: Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

      Christians were not bound under the administrative legal system of the Romans. They could not steal, murder etc but they did not owe the taxes that resulted from contracts with the State.

      Roman law was Federal and did not infringe upon the local authority, especially one as benign as that set up by Jesus.

      Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

      The Apostles and men of this Government left by the king wrote its own ordinances. 1 Corinthians 11:2 Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered [them] to you.

      They did not enforce them like the gentiles did and so in some ways the government set up by Jesus did not appear to be a government like the rest of the world. And why should it?

      This was not a new government but a continuation of the old. David was King, now the highest son of David was King. Why are not you paying him tribute. He was also High Priest as his cousin John the Baptist was High Priest and John Father before him.

      In Gibbon's Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire, he praised "the union and discipline of the Christian republic." He also pointed out that "it gradually formed an independent and increasing state in the heart of the Roman Empire." [ Rousseau and Revolution, Will et Ariel Durant p.801. fn 83 Heiseler, 85.] The early Christian ekklesia was a republic that was recognized by Rome through the proclamation nailed to the cross by order of the Proconsul of Rome, Pontius Pilate. When Jesus rose from the dead to stand again upon the earth, so did his Kingdom. His kingdom now lives in the hearts of those who follow His way. All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any. (1 Cor. 6:12)

      Paul would not go under any authority but the highest power. Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. (Ro 13:1)

      The question is, Who is the higher power in your life? Do you have faith in Jesus or Billy? Have become a surety for another by coveting their dainties? Have you turned your back on Jesus after the Lord has set you free by creating a government and kingdom on earth not subject to the administrative rule of the Beast. Do you worship [serve] the Beast or the Lord of lords?.

      Believers were cast out, excommunicated, deported from the Beast governments and preferred a chosen separation.

      Jesus heard that they had cast him out [Foot notes:
1 3767 oun {oon} apparently a root word;; particle AV therefore 263, then 197, so 18, and 11, now 9, wherefore 8, but 5, not tr 9, misc 6; 526 1) then, therefore, accordingly, consequently, these things being so
2 391 anastrophe {an-as-trof-ay'} from '390'; n f AV conversation 13; 13 1) manner of life, conduct, behaviour, deportment 390 anastrepho {an-as-tref'-o} from '303' and '4762'; v AV return 2, have conversation 2, live 2, abide 1, overthrow 1, behave (one's) self 1, be used 1, pass 1; 11 1) to turn upside down, overturn 2) to turn back 3) to turn hither and thither, to turn one's self about, sojourn dwell in a place 4) metaph. to conduct one's self, behave one's self, live
3 387 anastatoo {an-as-tat-o'-o} from a derivative of '450' (in the sense of removal);; v AV - turn upside down 1, make an uproar 1, trouble 1; 3 1) to stir up, excite, unsettle 1a) to excite tumults and seditions in the state 1b) to upset, unsettle, minds by disseminating religious error
4 Rousseau and Revolution, Will et Ariel Durant p.801. fn 83 Heiseler, 85.
5 Strong's No. 1850 exousiazo {ex-oo-see-ad'-zo} from 1849; vb AV - have power of (2) - exercise authority upon (1) - bring under power (1) [4] 1) to have power or authority, use power: to be master of any one, exercise authority over one, to be master of the body i.e. to have full and entire authority over the body, to hold the body subject to one's will; to be brought under the power of anyone
6 Strong's No. 1544 ekballo {ek-bal'-lo} - cast out (45) - cast (11) - bring forth (3) - pull out (3)- send forth (3) - misc. (17) [82] I) to cast out;... to drive out (cast out) 1b) to cast out: of the world, i.e. be deprived of the power and influence he exercises in the world; ... to expel a person from a society: to banish from a family 1d) to compel one to depart; to bid one depart, in stern though not violent language...[They were not cast out of the planet but out of the kosmos, the worlds of man's civil and corvee systems of corban.]]; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God? He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him? And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee. And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him. (John 9:35, 38)

      Early Christians were expelled from the welfare systems of the day run by the state churches of the world government of its time, the Roman Empire. They then appointed ministers to handle their tithes to the poor but not men to rule over them and their herediments. And in those days, when the number of the disciples was multiplied, there arose a murmuring of the Grecians against the Hebrews, because their widows were neglected in the daily ministration. Then the twelve called the multitude of the disciples [unto them], and said, It is not reason that we should leave the word of God, and serve tables (bank).[Strong's No. 5132 trapeza ... the table or stand of a money changer, where he sits, exchanging different kinds of money for a fee (agio), and paying back with interest loans or deposits. ] Wherefore, brethren, look ye out among you seven men of honest report, full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business. (Acts 6:1, 3)

      Jealousy, envy, and greed brought persecution to the early Christians as they became successful in their separate and holy Kingdom, established by Jesus the Christ (anointed king). They moved with jealousy, envy, why? Because Christians were exempt from their burdens and were not afraid to live the Life God had intended for men. Christians shamed the faithless mob that went under tribute returning to the mire they had been plucked from so many years before.

      Christians were persecuted. Those persecutions kept the Body of Christians pure from the corruption that was so prevalent in that day and now in our own time.

      When Constantine legalized the church, with the edict of Milan, some were already on the road to corruption. As the legal church began a fornicating relationship with the kingdoms of men, true Christians departed to the remote ends of the earth. Christians were eventually persecuted by both the kingdoms of men and the legal churches, reciprocally empowered by each other.

      Today, legal churches are not incorporated in the body of Christ, but in the body of man made governments. The few duties that the church still performs are done so by the authority vested in them by the state.

      They still claim their right to tithe but have relinquished the obligation of the daily ministration to the state, having squandered the tithing on temples of stone and wood and glass. These churches claim that God has ordained that men should not only bow down to these governments but that we are to serve them with our sweat and our blood.

      "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." [ Benjamin Franklin]

      Men in the world today have returned to the corvee' slavery that God had taken them from in Egypt. Because of the subtle economic and social oppression, women cast out their children by the tens of thousands each year in government endorsed abortions. Large sections of the population feast on the sweat and blood of those living souls who toil in service to man made institutions. The prophetic warnings of Samuel are accepted as the should be fate of all Christians.

      If we are to listen to the apostate churches we would have to conclude that Enos should have built a city, that Cain was right in establishing the city of Enoch; Abraham should have stayed in Ur or at least in Haran; the Israelites were better off in Egypt; that Paul should not have departed from Rome; and that we should serve the United States Federal Democracy, its Emperor (Commander in chief), its Principas Civitas (first citizen, chief executive officer) and its Theos (god, ruling magistrate, appointor of justices)[The three offices delivered after election, solemnized by oath, to Caesar Augustus and other subsequent rulers of that day and this day.]

      Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. (Ga 5:1)

      Abram paid tribute in Ur and again in Heron but when he wandered in the wilderness he burned his tribute up since he knew not whom to give it to. He would not even take his just reward from Sodom. Not even a buckle because that wealth had been collect by enforced taxation not voluntary contribution.

      The Israelites fell under tribute in Egypt because of their treachery with their brother Joseph.

      Acts 7:9 And the patriarchs, moved with envy, sold Joseph into Egypt: but God was with him,

      Moses brought them out of that bondage of tribute, where for four hundred years they paid their tribute voluntarily to the temple.

      "Redemption is deliverance from the power of an alien dominion and the enjoyment of the resulting freedom. It involves the idea of restoration to one who possesses a more fundamental right or interest. The best example of redemption in the Old Testament was the deliverance of the children of Israel from bondage, from the dominion of the alien power in Egypt." [10 Zondervan's Pictorial Encyclopedia of the Bible, the word "redemption" ]

      Then men fell again and asked for a King. Saul, David and Solomon. Solomon and then his son burdened the people with abusive tribute which broke the kingdom. Israel by the time Jesus came was more like the heathen Gentiles than what Moses showed them.

      Again they had returned to the mire of tribute and bondage sinning as they had done from the beginning. Even the temple was collecting Corban which was nothing more than modern Social Security System and we know what Jesus said about that.

      Mark 7:10, 13 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death: But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free. And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother; Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

      Jesus redeemed them into a better kingdom with a king that did not have blood on his hands.

      You owe tribute, an excise tax on your service, because you have gone under the authority of another by taking a Social Security employee identification number and waived a right to a portion of your labor.

      If you pay tribute your service and God given labor is under authority.You are a servant and a slave like the Israelites in Egypt where God brought you out.

      The man who wrote Roman's 13 also wrote:

      1 Corinthians 7:21 Art thou called [being] a servant? care not for it: but if thou mayest be made free, use [it] rather.

      If you owe the tax pay the tax but if you don't owe the tax don't go under the authority of the tax for a bowl of porridge or anything else.

      1 Corinthians 6:12 . All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.

      Peter told you what would happen if you coveted their dainties and David and Solomon too.

      2 Peter 2:3 . And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

      Incline not my heart to [any] evil thing, to practise wicked works with men that work iniquity: and let me not eat of their dainties. Psalms 141:4

      When thou sittest to eat with a ruler, consider diligently what is before thee: And put a knife to thy throat, if thou be a man given to appetite. Be not desirous of his dainties: for they are deceitful meat. Proverbs 23:1, 3

      Proverbs 12:24 . The hand of the diligent shall bear rule: but the slothful shall be under tribute.

      2 Peter 3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

      So let us read Peter again in context of the message.

      The statement begins:

      "Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul; Having your conversation honest among the Gentiles: that, whereas they speak against you as evildoers, they may by your good works, which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation.

      Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme; [Who should be Jesus unless you have taken oaths to someone else.] Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well. For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men: [silence who? "speak against you as evildoers,"] As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God. [You are free of tribute but your good works should abound like Abraham who risked all and saved many but would not take pay. Christians do not enter into contracts with the Beast praying for his protection and security but they pay their tribute to God by giving of themselves willingly.] Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king. [There are three different Greek words in the New Testament that are translated into 'honour'. Here we find the word 'timao' {tim-ah'-o} meaning "to estimate, fix the value 1a) for the value of something belonging to one's self". If you are free then you decide what you owe your neighbor and the kings and governors of the land where you go.] Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear; not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froward. [If you are a servant or have gone under tribute by striking hands or with the words of your mouth like Peter did with the tax that was paid by the dead fish, then be good subjects if you cannot free yourselves. This is so when the unrighteous mammon fails you will be worthy of the righteous.] For this is thankworthy, if a man for conscience toward God endure grief, suffering wrongfully. For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God. For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps: Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth: Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously: Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls." 1 Peter 2:11, 25

Remember:

      Ephesians 5:24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so [let] the wives [be] to their own husbands in every thing.

      Colossians 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,

      If we are subject to Christ can we be subject to Billy too? Can we serve two masters?

      Is the CHURCH a government?

      The government says it is.

      "Church. In its most general sense, the religious society founded and established by Jesus Christ, to receive, preserve, and propagate his doctrines and ordinances."

      "A body or community of Christians, united under one form of government by the profession of one faith, and the observance of the same rituals and ceremonies." Black's Law Dictionary 3rd ed. Page 325. also 4th, 5th 6th Ed.

      It is established by Jesus and it is a body under one form of government. It is a body politic, the corporation of Jesus the King. The UN, US and the Un holy Roman Empire says that the Vatican is the Church. I say that the Church is composed of those who let the Lord write his laws on their hearts and minds.

      Hebrews 8:10 For this [is] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

      Matthew 5:34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all;....

      James 5:12 . But above all things, my brethren, swear not,...

      Revelation 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

      Now read Romans 13 in context:

      1 . Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. [Who is the higher power and how did they get to be the higher power? Did you go under their authority or they the higher power for others and your higher power is Jesus.] For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.[ They are ordained by the law of contract, debt and oath. If you say yes to them, if you become a surety then they are a higher power. If you don't they aren't. Simple. Of course they may exclude you from their benefits.]

      Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. [ Risisteth is from antitassomai meaning to "1) to range in battle against". The American Revolution was not a revolt. The king was breaking the law.

      "There was a secondary line upon which much skirmishing took place and which some Americans regarded as the main field of battle. The colonial charters seemed to offer an impregnable defense against abuses of parliamentary power because they were supposed to be compacts between the king and people of the colonies; which, while confirming royal authority in America, denied by implication the right of Parliament to intervene in colonial affairs. Charters were grants of the king and made no mention of the parliament. They were even thought to hold good against the King, for it was believed that the King derived all the power he enjoyed in the colonies from the compacts he had made with the settlers. Some colonists went so far to claim that they were granted by the King of Kings-and therefore no earthly Potentate can take them away.'" The Other Side of the Question, by a Citizen, New York, 1774, 16.
http://presys.com/~ekklesia/letter3.htm#A7

      John Adams said that when the grantees of the "Massachusetts Bay Charter carried it to America they `got out of the English realm, dominions, state, empire, call it by what name you will, and out of the legal jurisdiction of the Parliament. The king might, by his writ or proclamation, have commanded him to return; but he did not. By this interpretation, the charters accorded Americans' all the rights and privileges of a natural free-born subject of Great Britain and gave colonial assemblies the sole right of imposing taxes." [Principles and Acts of the Revolution, edited by H. Niles, 16.]

      "Accordingly, when Americans were told that they had no constitutional basis for their claim of execution from parliamentary authority, they answered, 'Our Charters have done it absolutely.' 'And if one protests,' remarked a Tory, 'the answer is, You are an Enemy to America, and ought to have your brains beat out.'" [174-175 Origins of the American Revolution by John C. Miller.] The real Revolution was the Constitution of the United States. Don't think so?

Was the Constitution of the United States ever ratified and what is its true source of authority? There has been serious questions raised and continuous arguments made about the lawful passing of certain amendments. The fact is the Constitution of the United States was never ratified according to the law at the time.
"If a constitution expressly provides that it may be amended only in a certain way and another way followed, such and attempted amendment is illegal; but if it is acquiesced in it becomes effective as a peaceful revolution such as took place when the United States Constitution took effect upon the ratification by nine states in spite of the fact that the old Articles of Confederation provided that they should not be amended without unanimous consent of the states." Clark's Sum. of American Law, Constitutional Law Chapt 1, .1 p. 462.
THE CONSTITUTION IS NOT A LAWFUL DOCUMENT
http://presys.com/~ekklesia/letbirth.htm#A1

      For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. [Of course if he operates outside of his authority you are not revolting or resisting but standing for truth and protection of the innocent, like David and Goliath.] Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: For he is the minister of God to thee for good. [With in the range of his authority.] But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; [If he does what is evil he should be afraid] for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. [And there are many evil people out there but now if they are calling good evil and evil good then they are nut ordained of God but are tyrannical beasts that should be told off in God's time.] Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake. [If you are subject be subject but this was written by the one who said he would not go under the authority of any.] For for this cause pay ye tribute also: [This is the theme: if you owe the tax pay it.] for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing. [Is that the case today or have they strayed from their true authority.]7

      Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due;[ if it is due pay it] custom to whom custom; [be respectful] fear to whom fear;[ [Fear the Lord above all] honour to whom honour. [Honor where they are honerable.] 8

      Owe no man any thing, [pay your debts but do not go under debt, do not become a surety

      Proverbs 11:15 He that is surety for a stranger shall smart [for it]: and he that hateth suretiship is sure. Proverbs 17:18 A man void of understanding striketh hands, [and] becometh surety in the presence of his friend. Hebrews 7:22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament. ] but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.] For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. Romans 13:1, 10

      No more tribute is owed than to love your neighbor and serve your God.

      There is no call to go under the service of false gods. Gregory at the ekklesia Church http://presys.com/~ekklesia/welcome.htm Dear Gregory, Thank you. This ties all together as well as could be asked. With this and my own knowledge of American jurisprudence, I believe myself to be equipped. Any who cannot hear this message are on thier own........

Timothy

Timothy,

Here is a list of Bible quotes that help put Romans 13 into percpective. I made it along time ago.

Romans 13 and Ro 11:8,10; 1Cor 6:12, 20 & 7:21; 2Cor 6: 14, 18; Ex 20 & 23:24, 32 & 34:12, 15; Le 25:17; De 25:4; Jud 10:14; 1Sa 8:5, 22 & 10:17, 19; Ps 141:4; Pr 12:14 & 23:1,3 & 26:11, 16; Dn 7:14; Is 9:6; Jer 5:7.Mt 5:32, 37 & 21:42, 43& 22:15, 22 & 28:18 & 23:13; Lu 22:25, 33; Jn 8:33, 36 & 19: 12, 15; Ac 17:7; Ga 5:1; Eph 1:20, 21; Col 2:10; 2 Ths 2:3, 16; Ja 2:5, 6 & 4:4, 8 & 5:12; 2 Pe 2; 2Cor 4:8, 9 etc. etc.etc.

Thou art snared with the words of thy mouth, thou art taken with the words of thy mouth. Proverbs 6:2
      The Centurion's authority came from Caesar because he had bound himself under the authority of Caesar, while Jesus' authority came from His Father.
      The last word to examine is tasso translated ordained which is found 8 times in the Bible and is translated in the KJV appoint 3 times, ordain 2, set 1, determine 1, addict 1. Its meaning is "to put in order", or "to appoint on one's own responsibility or authority" but also "to appoint mutually, i.e. agree upon".
      So it is very clear by only these few quotes that much authority whether Governmental or otherwise is granted by consent. It is our consent according to the Law of God that authority is often ordained.
      Some people believe that this one verse [Romans 13:1] in the Bible sentences all men to the authority of arbitrary rulers and governments as if all "governments" as institutions of force are of God and that they can do no wrong. Nothing could be farther from the truth and opposed to God's plan..
      Jesus also said in Luke 12:11 And when they bring you unto the synagogues, and [unto] magistrates, and powers [excousia], take ye no thought how or what thing ye shall answer, or what ye shall say:
      So, at least it seems clear by this statement that Jesus assumed Christians would be brought before magistrates and powers or authorities as well as religious leaders of the day for one complaint or another. If early Christians were bound to obey the ruling authorities then why did those early Christians have such problems with persecutions? After all freedom of religion was an integral part of Roman Government.
      Peter does seem to contradict the idea of submission to men or at least absolute submission in Acts 5:29 Then Peter and the [other] apostles answered and said, 'We ought to obey God rather than men."
      But Romans was written by Paul who again uses excousia in 1 Corinthians 6:9 when he says: "All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power (1850) of any." Here Paul is saying he will not go under the 'power' of any. This seems to be in accordance with Peter who is saying to be under God's authority and obey it rather than men. Paul helps us this with another statement in 1Corinthians 7:21. "Art thou called being a servant? care not for it: but if thou mayest be made free, use it rather."
      Paul is encouraging us to get out from underneath authority if we can. I am sure he is not saying to do anything dishonest like don't pay your taxes or don't obey the laws of the country you live in. But he is saying to not go under any extra authority and if you can lesson the amount of authority/influence of men you are under then do so.
      Yes, we may have gone under authority by taking an oath or participating in some mutual welfare program involving our submission or the relinquishment of rights but Jesus clearly advises against this in Matthew 5:34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:
      And he goes on to say concerning binding oaths that "Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King. Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black. But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil."
      This is a very strong warning by it self. But this warning is again emphasized in James 5:12 But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and [your] nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation.

      The word 'fall' is from pipto meaning " to descend from a higher place to a lower" and is often used as a " metaphor to fall under judgment, came under condemnation". By not going under additional authorities by participation or overt binding commitments we remain free to serve God in a clear unrestricted conscience.
      The word swear is from omnuo which does mean "to swear" but also includes "to affirm, promise," even "threaten, with an oath"
      To add to the word 'yes' is so dangerous in the area of granting power, authority or jurisdiction Jesus said no matter "... whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil." These warning are clearly a continuation of the Old Testament, which stated this idea over and over. I mean Abraham left Ur, Israelites was brought out of Egypt, living for hundreds of years without a king and warned by Samuel what to expect from men who form a ruling state consisting of men over men. And other examples, such as Solomon's Proverb 23 statement "When thou sittest to eat with a ruler, consider diligently what is before thee: And put a knife to thy throat, if thou be a man given to appetite. Be not desirous of his dainties: for they are deceitful meat."
      In Psalms 69:22 David says "Let their table become a snare before them:and [that which should have been] for [their] welfare, [let it become] a trap." Which we find again is Romans 11 where Paul repeats the statement concerning the Gentiles
      Or the constant reminders in the Old Testament not to make covenants with strangers and heathens.
      Jesus again amplifies this idea of tempering the word of your mouth to prevent going under tribute in the episode where Peter misstated that Jesus' and his followers were subject to the jurisdiction of the tribute tax.

And when they were come to Capernaum, they that received tribute money came to Peter, and said, Doth not your master pay tribute? He saith, Yes. And when he was come into the house, Jesus prevented him, saying, What thinkest thou, Simon? of whom do the kings of the earth take custom or tribute? of their own children, or of strangers? Peter saith unto him, Of strangers. Jesus saith unto him, Then are the children free. Notwithstanding, lest we should offend them, go thou to the sea, and cast an hook, and take up the fish that first cometh up; and when thou hast opened his mouth, thou shalt find a piece of money: that take, and give unto them for me and thee. Matthew 17:24, 27

      Why did God bring men out of earthly kingdoms and lead them away from the rule of men through out the Old Testament and then suddenly in the New Testament say that we should go under the authority of any and all governments and rulers. The fact is he did not.
      God wanted and still wants man to be ruled by him directly. But where is this body of Christians ruled by God? Jesus said, "And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me; " Luke 22:29
      Where is this kingdom he appointed?
      Jesus gave authority to his apostles and stated in Mark 13:34 [For the Son of man is] as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.
      Did Jesus tell us how we are supposed to operate in that kingdom appointed by him until his final return?
      "And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors. But ye shall not be so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve. For whether is greater, he that sitteth at meat, or he that serveth? is not he that sitteth at meat? but I am among you as he that serveth." Luke 22:25, 27
      So, where is that kingdom appointed by Jesus? Isn't it the Church?
      Jesus was a king and Kings are the heads of governments, they are the higher authority. If he was a king then those who followed him were under his jurisdiction and the jurisdiction of those he appointed.
      Even Rome recognized Jesus as a King. And governments of today define the Church as, "In its most general sense, the religious society founded and established by Jesus Christ, to receive, preserve, and propagate his doctrines and ordinances.
      A body or community of Christians, united under one form of government by the profession of one faith, and the observance of the same rituals and ceremonies." . Black's Law Dictionary 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th eds.

Do we recognize Jesus as King and serve his appointed kingdom or do we only give him lipservice in government approved Churches?

      Most people who are calling themselves Christians have been going more and more under the authority of worldly man made governments that they cannot recognize the "one form of government" the Church operates under.
      The problem is that the Church is not a government like that of the other nations who exercise authority one over the other. This has lead people to think that God's kingdom is not on this earth. Jesus never said that.
      The Church has ministers, servant, preachers etc but the idea that we are to obey them without question is absurd. We know false preachers will come and there we would be doing what they tell us to do because they tell us they are the authority. They might even appoint kings over us or lead us under the authority of others. They might tell us to be content as a servant rather than to care not for it as Paul said.
      Which of course most of the Churches have been doing for years. The average US citizen pays more than twice what the Israelites paid under Pharaoh when they were called slaves.
      http://presys.com/~ekklesia/eve.htm
      We often think our times and government is so much more different than back then.

      Is it?

      In the Old Testament the words "gods" and "God" are translated from the single word 'elohiym in the plural. 'Elohiym is defined "rulers, judges" and "occasionally applied as deference to magistrates" while in the New Testament the word God is translated from the Greek word theos which figuratively means "a magistrate." Check your Strong's Concordance.
      The word god is an office not a name and if people were calling judges god because they had a ruling authority to judge a man then we have strange gods all over the US.
      In 29 B.C. Gaius Octavianus marched into Rome as the savior of the Republic and was given the title of Augustus by the Senate. He was then legally granted, under constitutional forms and limitations by an electoral vote, the position Emperator, which is translated commander in chief [Emperator, emperatoris m.commander in chief Collins L.E. Dict. '62.] of all military and naval forces, for a period of ten years. He could set foreign policy and establish treaties. Each year he could also be elected consul (chief executive officer, principas civitas) and ApoTheos (appointor of magistrate, literal translation is originator of gods), swearing another binding oath of office. Augustus as Emperator had dropped his position of Consul of Rome for almost 18 years while he settled disputes as a sort of combination N.A.T.O, U.N. and U.S. military multi national force all rolled into one. He kept banking, trade and commerce prospering throughout the world and received great praise and adoration for the accomplishment. "Thus the republic was restored under the presidency of its 'first citizen' (princeps civitatis)." [Encyclopedia Britanica Vol 2, p. 687, '53.] note the word UNDER!
      Today's the president of the US is the Commander in chief of the military, the Emperor of the US military around the world. there is a difference, he has an air force and can rain fire from the sky. Ass first citizen, he is the chief executive officer of Washington, called the president. He also can appoints federal justices throughout the federal empire, who then sits as theos or judges or gods of its citizenry. After all the President has proclomated with his authority that the Federal government can, ""define the moral, political, and legal character of their [citizens of the US] lives." Executive Orders [13083 May 14, 1998]
http://presys.com/~ekklesia/issu10w.htm#emp

If ye forsake the LORD, and serve strange gods, then he will turn and do you hurt, and consume you, after that he hath done you good. Joshua 24:20

      So, now we have no King but Caesar, too.

      You can't have two kings, you will end up despising one or the other..

; Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Exodus 20:3

      The Latin word pater means father. It was used everyday as a title of address in reference to the Senators of Rome and of course the Emperor and before him the pro council was referred to as the father of the senate and therefore eventually the Empire. Also in the Greek text of the Bible we find Pater meaning father. So we can assume that the people of the day when they heard the word pater they thought of one of several ideas. Either they were talking about their genetic father or their fathers in Rome or their father in heaven. " And call no [man] your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven." (Matthew 23:9)
      To make such a statement was a shock to those who thought man's governments and the Roman political and judicial system, its peace and commerce was good for society and business. It would be like saying call no man on earth president.
      The U.S. presidency today, once elected, sets foreign relations and makes treaties, he is the commander in chief of the military and naval forces, he appoints the supreme court including the chief justice in much the same way as they did in Rome.1

The emperors were often referred to as gods using the words Apo Theos.

      Not because any one believed that they created heaven and earth but because they were the chief magistracy and ruler of the people appointing judges throughout the empire.2

      ...Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as [it is] in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen. (Matt 6:9,13)

      Most government leaders today are not called pater or father with the words of the mouth although they offer us new covenants and contracts and those who wrote the constitution for the United states are referred to as the founding fathers.
      It is not so strange to think of the Roman Emperors as gods when you realize that George Washington himself was deified in the ceiling of the capital dome. "Across the Dome's eye, 180 feet above the floor, spreads a gigantic allegorical painting by the Italian artist Constantino Brumidi. The painting depicts the 'Apotheosis,' or glorification, of George Washington. Surrounding Washington is sweeping circles are delicately colored figures--some 15 feet tall. They include gods and goddesses [among them Ceres, Vulcan, Mercury, Neptune, Minerva and 13 State goddesses] pictured as protectors of American ideals and progress."3
      Did God ordain (i.e., dictate, decree, impose) the United States Federal Democracy or any other government? Or was it ordained by false gods of man's vain imagination? "If we will not be governed by God, then we will be ruled by tyrants." William Penn.
      As God allowed Samuel to choose a king for His people because they had already turned from God, so also He allows man to choose his own rulers if he does not choose to be ruled by God. In the hearts and minds and souls there is a turning away from The God. Everyday men make other men their father through application, service and adoption. Instead of their Father, the LORD God Eternal Ruler, in the Kingdom of Heaven on earth, they turn to other rulers being reborn to new fathers.

And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ. How be it then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods. But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? (Gal 4:6,9)

      We often hear Christians say they believe and they are followers of the word of God, but are they true to His word?

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. (Mt.7:21)
      Are we choosing a new father that loves us not. Are we denying the Father of us all, being born into that new father's jurisdiction/kingdom?
      Did you ever wonder why Jesus almost never spoke in the Synagogues, the churches in those days. The first time he spoke in one, they tried to throw him over a cliff. So,he spoke in the streets and on hill side from almost anywhere but in the Churches. I think that would still be the case today if Jesus spoke in most of the modern Churches.
      I mean after all Jesus said, "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:"
      They tell you that all you have to do is believe to get in the kingdom of Heaven but Jesus said, "Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able." Luke 13:24
      Yes! God appoints authority through Christ but it is not like the authority of the gentiles and we should be very wary of all who have to say, "I am in authority."

For Jesus said, "And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth." Matthew 28:18

Gregory at the ekklesia Church

A few foot notes
1 "Octavian was legally invested...with the government of the important frontier provinces, with the sole command of the military and naval forces of the state, and the exclusive control of foreign relations. At home it was understood that he would... be elected consul and enjoy the powers and pre-eminence attached to the chief magistracy of the Roman state. Thus the republic was restored under the presidency of its 'first citizen' (princeps civitatis)"Encyclopedia Britanica 1953,Vol II, pp. 687d
2 "The last act was the formal decree of the senate by which Augustus, like his father Julius before him, was added to the number of the gods recognized by the Roman state." Encylopedia Britannica 1953,Vol II, pp. 689b
3 "We, the People" "The Story of the United States Capitol" by the United States Capitol Historical Society, Washington D.C., Library of Congress catalog number 65-20721.